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weaselettSo I went to a double bill showing (infinity war leading into the midnight showing of endgame). It was crazy busy, but I think that partly because they only did a 2d (the last two double bill/midnight showings I've done had choice of 2d or 3d, so screen wasn't so packed).
I have very mixed feelings about Endgame. And I am doing this post before going to see what other people thought. So it's entirely my feelings.
SO. Endgame.
I enjoyed the first half of the film, the narrative worked pretty well, characters were mostly balanced. My main issues were white boy focus (the ladies and Rhodey got moments, but it was mostly the boys), and the weird Bruce/Hulk thing.
I LOVED Tony and Nebula though.
There were lots of playbacks and nods to the past, some played straight, some not so much.
Clint and Natasha clearly, somehow, missed the fact one of them was going to have to die? Nebula's comment to Rhodey made it sound like they knew that.....or knew there was sacrifice at least to be made dependant on feelings....
The plot feel apart quite badly in the end, to be honest. It went from fairly well balanced coverage of characters, to tipping a whole box out and somehow only killing one of them in the end.
There were bits tooooo clearly there to tick a box (all the ladies backing each other up, for that one bit).
There's also the fact that they completely forgot about how the plan was meant to work, and the requirements of their time travel.
They killed Thanos, his children and Nebula. Who needed to be alive years later in order for them to need to go back in the first place (aka the reason for all the planning and the take and return thing). Also Loki got loose with the tesseract and they didn't correct....so that should have MASSIVELY shifted the rest of what happened prior to Thanos.
AND I have no idea how Steve aged? I thought the serum would have at least made him age slower?
Tony's death feels like the right thing for his narrative, just, the timing was a bit funky with how they paced the whole battle. But yeah, the final sacrifice to save the world.
Steve. Oh My God. The Steve thing. I was alright up until aged Steve and Peggy/Steve. It lessens everything they have done with Peggy up until now (and completely messes up the past URGH). Add in the fact we got almost no Bucky & Steve interaction, and just that tiny bit of Steve & Sam? URGH.
I wanted one of them to get the Captain mantel, but not like that. :/
Bigger issue - Natasha and Gamora. The Soul Stone's tragic sacrifices. It should have been Clint in Endgame. Thematically, and to give Natasha something more, a bigger part of it all, it should have been Clint. We should not have had the two sole original ladies from the two teams both be the soul stone deaths.
Please - How the hell do you return the soul stone?? It's meant to be an 'eternal exchange' so should be loved one's soul for the soul stone for eternity. Returning it is counter to that. So returning it should have provided the chance to get Natasha (& Gamora) back. But no.
They didn't even get decent mourning/memorial scenes 0.0 Don't even know what happened to the dang bodies. :(
Instead of the epic, illogical, (how the hell did any of them survive the bombing/all end up that far apart when they were in three rooms next to each other??) battle scene. They should have had to fight to get a living Thanos back to the time from whence he had come. (How, I know they used the machine, but they had needed the bands with the compasses....and Nebula had present Nebulas.....)
It felt like so many of the ladies were there just to make up numbers (Carol really didn't have much to do? The returned not having a huge part of it all makes sense, but Okoye and Carol....)
I'm not even sure how the time jump is going to work.
And clearly it's now taken as Vision, Heimdall, Natasha, Gamora and....maybe...Loki are all dead for good? (Loki has the tesseract so :/)
I just. I didn't feel the pay off for all the drama? I really wanted to, but it just, didn't quite work for me.
I did like a lot of the family moments - Pepper and Tony and small one, Scott and Cassie (wherever Cassie's mom and step dad were?), Clint and his family, Natasha and team as family. Rocket and Nebula. Rhodey.
I liked some of the plays, like the Cap on Cap fight, the little touches in the past scenes. They went to a lot of effort to tie off all the films that came before that aren't going any further. (Oh and bonus kid from Iron Man 3 at the end!)
It's just a shame that they had sooooo many characters, and after all the work on building the rules for the time travel (as a narrative point) to then abandon them/leave some things messed up, just, didn't work. If they hadn't made a point of setting those rules, I would have been easier to ignore the fact that killing Thanos before he used the stones renders it all moot.
I wish I had liked it more. That I could feel the closure/enjoyment people have for it. But it just didn't work for me.
I don't have much investment in Guardians with no Gamora (she balanced the others out well, I like Groot and Rocket and Drax, but without Gamora.....). I have never loved MCU Natasha as much as comics/animated Natasha, because they played around with her, and took some of her power away (she is meant to have the serum too) but damn. To have both of the first ladies in the teams gone, and in the same place? It sucks.
That said, yay for Queen Valkyrie I guess (though will we ever see her again?) and Pepper survived and got her own suit. Wanda survived, but she didn't really get anything but two tiny moments. Tiny bit of Wasp too.
I guess I can hope that maybe going forward the ladies will get a bit more attention, with most of the white guys out of the picture? (I guess Bruce is out now? It wasn't as set as with Steve and Tony, but they...kinda seemed to not know what to do with him but comic relief? So. Yeah.)
So that's my immediate feelings on this one.
I have very mixed feelings about Endgame. And I am doing this post before going to see what other people thought. So it's entirely my feelings.
SO. Endgame.
I enjoyed the first half of the film, the narrative worked pretty well, characters were mostly balanced. My main issues were white boy focus (the ladies and Rhodey got moments, but it was mostly the boys), and the weird Bruce/Hulk thing.
I LOVED Tony and Nebula though.
There were lots of playbacks and nods to the past, some played straight, some not so much.
Clint and Natasha clearly, somehow, missed the fact one of them was going to have to die? Nebula's comment to Rhodey made it sound like they knew that.....or knew there was sacrifice at least to be made dependant on feelings....
The plot feel apart quite badly in the end, to be honest. It went from fairly well balanced coverage of characters, to tipping a whole box out and somehow only killing one of them in the end.
There were bits tooooo clearly there to tick a box (all the ladies backing each other up, for that one bit).
There's also the fact that they completely forgot about how the plan was meant to work, and the requirements of their time travel.
They killed Thanos, his children and Nebula. Who needed to be alive years later in order for them to need to go back in the first place (aka the reason for all the planning and the take and return thing). Also Loki got loose with the tesseract and they didn't correct....so that should have MASSIVELY shifted the rest of what happened prior to Thanos.
AND I have no idea how Steve aged? I thought the serum would have at least made him age slower?
Tony's death feels like the right thing for his narrative, just, the timing was a bit funky with how they paced the whole battle. But yeah, the final sacrifice to save the world.
Steve. Oh My God. The Steve thing. I was alright up until aged Steve and Peggy/Steve. It lessens everything they have done with Peggy up until now (and completely messes up the past URGH). Add in the fact we got almost no Bucky & Steve interaction, and just that tiny bit of Steve & Sam? URGH.
I wanted one of them to get the Captain mantel, but not like that. :/
Bigger issue - Natasha and Gamora. The Soul Stone's tragic sacrifices. It should have been Clint in Endgame. Thematically, and to give Natasha something more, a bigger part of it all, it should have been Clint. We should not have had the two sole original ladies from the two teams both be the soul stone deaths.
Please - How the hell do you return the soul stone?? It's meant to be an 'eternal exchange' so should be loved one's soul for the soul stone for eternity. Returning it is counter to that. So returning it should have provided the chance to get Natasha (& Gamora) back. But no.
They didn't even get decent mourning/memorial scenes 0.0 Don't even know what happened to the dang bodies. :(
Instead of the epic, illogical, (how the hell did any of them survive the bombing/all end up that far apart when they were in three rooms next to each other??) battle scene. They should have had to fight to get a living Thanos back to the time from whence he had come. (How, I know they used the machine, but they had needed the bands with the compasses....and Nebula had present Nebulas.....)
It felt like so many of the ladies were there just to make up numbers (Carol really didn't have much to do? The returned not having a huge part of it all makes sense, but Okoye and Carol....)
I'm not even sure how the time jump is going to work.
And clearly it's now taken as Vision, Heimdall, Natasha, Gamora and....maybe...Loki are all dead for good? (Loki has the tesseract so :/)
I just. I didn't feel the pay off for all the drama? I really wanted to, but it just, didn't quite work for me.
I did like a lot of the family moments - Pepper and Tony and small one, Scott and Cassie (wherever Cassie's mom and step dad were?), Clint and his family, Natasha and team as family. Rocket and Nebula. Rhodey.
I liked some of the plays, like the Cap on Cap fight, the little touches in the past scenes. They went to a lot of effort to tie off all the films that came before that aren't going any further. (Oh and bonus kid from Iron Man 3 at the end!)
It's just a shame that they had sooooo many characters, and after all the work on building the rules for the time travel (as a narrative point) to then abandon them/leave some things messed up, just, didn't work. If they hadn't made a point of setting those rules, I would have been easier to ignore the fact that killing Thanos before he used the stones renders it all moot.
I wish I had liked it more. That I could feel the closure/enjoyment people have for it. But it just didn't work for me.
I don't have much investment in Guardians with no Gamora (she balanced the others out well, I like Groot and Rocket and Drax, but without Gamora.....). I have never loved MCU Natasha as much as comics/animated Natasha, because they played around with her, and took some of her power away (she is meant to have the serum too) but damn. To have both of the first ladies in the teams gone, and in the same place? It sucks.
That said, yay for Queen Valkyrie I guess (though will we ever see her again?) and Pepper survived and got her own suit. Wanda survived, but she didn't really get anything but two tiny moments. Tiny bit of Wasp too.
I guess I can hope that maybe going forward the ladies will get a bit more attention, with most of the white guys out of the picture? (I guess Bruce is out now? It wasn't as set as with Steve and Tony, but they...kinda seemed to not know what to do with him but comic relief? So. Yeah.)
So that's my immediate feelings on this one.
